Ouate et spots!! Pot terre cuite ou cache pot galva??

Il y a ça:
http://www.femat.fr/ouate-de[...]-encastres/
a mon avis beaucoup plus chère qu'un pot en terre cuite....

Hello

il y a aussi le spotclip II : http://www.hellermanntyton.f[...]spotclip-ii



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Merci!
Le 1er est bien mais c'est du vol a ce prix la!!
Le 2ème n'en parlons pas la ouate va forcément passer a travers!!

teamvts54 a écrit:

Le 2ème n'en parlons pas la ouate va forcément passer a travers!!

ca m'étonnerait, zavez mal lu le lien

Ce serait alors de la micro ouate

Euh...vous avez déjà pisé de la ouate?
La vrai ouate c'est pas celle qu'on souffle et dont on peut encore lire les journeaux tellement ça a été mal défibré!
Ça passera c'est sur!
Quand a l'étanchéité a l'air...

Lisez vos MP

De toute les matière c'est la ouate que j'prefere

J'ai lu merci. Mais la boite rouge est énorme, de plus il n'y a pas le prix...
Ah...un comique!! Mosellans en plus

Ma question posais surtout sur la matière de la cloche!
Pourquoi en terre cuite? Pourquoi pas en acier par exemple??
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teamvts54 a écrit:

J'ai lu merci. Mais la boite rouge est énorme, de plus il n'y a pas le prix...
Ah...un comique!! Mosellans en plus

A toi de chercher aussi


je ne vais tout de même pas venir la poser non plus


Les forums, c'est pas forcement du ""clés en mains""

J'ai fait l'effort de renseigner un difficile, à lui de faire le reste (pas bien compliqué en quelques clics)

Quoique, si tu veut ne rien payer ou presque, va voir plutot sur radin.com


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http://www.femat.fr/ouate-de-cellulose-quelle-protection-pour-les-spots-encastres/

http://www.materiaux-naturels.fr/fiche-916/capot-de-protection-de-spot.html

8,12 euros la boites anti feu...j'ai 50 spots à mettre chez moi...la note va être salée...
La boite fait 30 x 30 pour un trou de 75 mm de diamètre...
Je trouve aberrant qu'au jour d'aujourd'hui personne ne soit foutu de fabriquer un truc correct ...à tarif correct, c'est à dire moins cher que le spot en lui même!
Nous sommes en 2013 et la seule bonne solution c'est de foutre des pots de fleurs!
J'aimerai savoir ce que dis le consuel!?
Et si on mettait des pots de fleurs plastiques? Des caches pots galva??

Et pourquoi ne pas te les fabriquer toi meme? comme ceci:

teamvts54 a écrit:

8,12 euros la boites anti feu...j'ai 50 spots à mettre chez moi...la note va être salée...
La boite fait 30 x 30 pour un trou de 75 mm de diamètre...
Je trouve aberrant qu'au jour d'aujourd'hui personne ne soit foutu de fabriquer un truc correct ...à tarif correct, c'est à dire moins cher que le spot en lui même!
Nous sommes en 2013 et la seule bonne solution c'est de foutre des pots de fleurs!
J'aimerai savoir ce que dis le consuel!?
Et si on mettait des pots de fleurs plastiques? Des caches pots galva??

Un spot à moins de 8,12€??????

C'est pas un spot avec une source basse conso, c'est certain, mes derniers GU10, je les ai payé près de 20€ H.T.(sans le spot)


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Bien les boites en fermacell! Par contre le poids...aie!

Le sport alu 3.20 euros chez B...D...T et l'ampoule led 5,95!
Bref moins de 10 euros!

teamvts54 a écrit:

Bien les boites en fermacell! Par contre le poids...aie!

Le sport alu 3.20 euros chez B...D...T et l'ampoule led 5,95!
Bref moins de 10 euros!

ouais, du led qui éclaire rien du tout, à comparer avec les miens (en candela, en lumens, etc...)


A vouloir y voir en voulant économiser, on se retrouve avec un plafond qui ressemble à un gruyère


Il n'y a pas, si on veut une solution valable et pérenne, il faut y mettre le prix




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50 Leds grand max sur 140 m²!!!
Viens voir chez moi si ça n'éclaire pas!
Mais le sujet ne porte pas la dessus!
Je veux savoir quel matériaux peut on utiliser pour ne pas se faire bouler au consuel!!
Pvc, terre cuite, acier...etc

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Pas d'électricien sur le forum?

Bonjour,

PVC, terre cuite... sont "interdits".

Le CPT 3693V2 de juin 2015 (cahier technique traitant de l'isolation des combles par soufflage) prévoit l'utilisation de capots validés par le CSTB, par exemple, le Tenmat FF120 ;).

http://evaluation.cstb.fr/do[...]3693-v2.pdf